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Race Directors

Thu, 19/04/2018 - 15:20

Over the years i have heard a multitude of complaints and criticisms of race/event directors and I have a few thoughts on the matter to share.

Please try and remember that these people make what they think is a safe decision in that moment with the information they have available. They try to be fair to all participants...that does not always mean that each swimmer has the same experience, but rather a fair one.
No one is getting rich doing this. I shudder to think what they make an hour given the amount of time it takes to put on these events, this is a labor of love.
If you have thoughts on ways to increase safety then please send them a respectful email after the event. Do not that day wag your finger at them and give them a piece of your mind that day, its not a very effective way to get your point across, its disrespectful and not in the spirit of open water swimming.
If you don't want an event to be cancelled...then don't swim events. Go plan your own swim and do it your way as many people do but do not give an event director a hard time for cancelling due to safety concerns.

And lastly say thank you to the event directors and volunteers - without them we don't get to do what we love

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Anyone here with narcolepsy?

Thu, 19/04/2018 - 11:50

Hello all, curious if anyone here has narcolepsy (with or without cataplexy) and successfully trains for distances of 10k or more? I'm 36 now and have been doing open water swims since I was 19 in 2001. I started developing sleep problems around 2005, but was still able to get in the training (for the most part) until 2011, when getting up in the morning became extraordinarily difficult. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea in 2012, which was thought to be the root of my issues, but it would take continuous struggles with getting up and excessive daytime sleepiness for a diagnosis of narcolepsy in 2013. Although I take two medications (Nuvigil and Xyrem) for it, and am on maximum doses of each, I am still struggling a lot to get up many days of the week and am extremely tired most of the time as well. This is really cutting into training, as my mornings are pretty much the only time for swimming and am often oversleeping. My sleep doctor says that I am doing "great" despite my severe case of narcolepsy.

If you have narcolepsy, or even another medically documented sleep disorder, how are you managing it with training for long distance swimming? I have done two 10ks along with a lot of 4.4 and 5 mile swims over the years, and would like to expand to a distance of 7 miles and greater, but I'm starting to wonder if this is as good as it gets and I'm setting my sights too high? I know there are groups out there who advocate "natural" treatment for narcolepsy, but it would be disastrous if I personally was to go off narcolepsy medications. I have posed the question also to a narcolepsy support group on Facebook and no one was able to relate. Thanks for any help those others with narcolepsy or sleep disorders may be able to provide!

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Recommendations for swimming in Hawai'i?

Mon, 16/04/2018 - 16:05

Thanks for all the help! I now have a boat captain and have set a swim time frame. Do you recommend also trying to hire a kayaker? While I am very comfortable swimming in California, the possibility of large animals in Maui leaves me irrationally nervous... Any suggestions about how to find a kayaker would be greatly appreciated!

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How far is too far, without an escort boat?

Mon, 16/04/2018 - 06:34

Maybe this is the wrong place for this comment, but I’m not sure where else it might be worthy.

This weekend, on one of my open water social media groups, a woman gave a race report where within the first mile of Lido Keys her kayaker flipped and “unbeknownst” to her was towed into shore. She chose to push on without an escort, without feeds, and without knowing anything about her kayaker’s safety. She claimed “I was swimming unsupported. No reason to stop”.

In lieu of the events that happen at a race in Lake Erie and my own concept of OWS being a team sport, I beg to differ. Her safety was at risk and her kayaker’s safety was in question. On social media, people sang her praises for being tough and swimming onward. I disagreed. She was unsafe and put the race for all at risk.

IMHO I’d like to see more race directors enforcing this concept - swimmer and kayaker are a team that starts together, finishes together, and must stay within a certain vicinity of each other.

I know I myself have swam on while my kayaker feel victim to the winds of Apache (SCAR 2017). Looking back I see the errors of my ways, and I vow to never do so again. If I can’t do it with my paddler, it’s not OUR day.

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Celebrating the Tenth Year of Swimming The Kingdom - NEKOWSA Data Base Released

Sun, 15/04/2018 - 15:14

Seems like just yesterday, the first Kingdom Swim in 2009. Celebrating this Tenth Year, we have gathered, assembled, and published the data base of all NEKOWSA swims and the swimmers who have joined us swimming the legendary lakes of the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont. During this decade, The Tribe of Kingdom Swimmers has grown to over 1,000. The number of swims offered each year has grown from 1 to over a dozen. We've had some kind of fun over these years and are looking forward to Swimming The Kingdom in 2018

NEKOWSA Data 2009 thru 2017

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The Cold Water Thread

Sat, 14/04/2018 - 19:40

Sorry If I missed this above or in another thread, but I thought I'd paste it in here.

Where do you actually measure the water temperature? Is there a guideline for that? The water temperature just at the shore of a lake is likely warmer than farther out. And the on a sunny day the water temp at the surface is a lot higher than at 12" or 24" down - especially in the spring and fall as night temperatures are low.

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Northwest Open Water Swimming Association

Sat, 14/04/2018 - 18:44

I have been reading up on the Strait of Juan de Fuca and just wanted to know if you could give me some insight into the different routes. The NOWSA website lists it as 16.8 km between Vancouver Island and the Olympic Peninsula but I noticed some recent swims seem to have done a much longer 34k route between Dungeness and Victoria Island.

Is there a historical route or does it just vary on what the swimmer and/or conditions dictate?


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Post Event Depression

Fri, 13/04/2018 - 23:00

Jaimie said: Rapunzel: What if it’s not everything I dreamed it would be?

Flynn Rider: It will be.

Rapunzel: And what if it is? What do I do then?

Flynn Rider: Well,that’s the good part I guess. You get to go find a new dream.


Ah, Thank you Jaime! I so needed this today! I’m at that place where I don’t want to swim. I know it will make me feel better, and I can only wonder “Do I not want to feel better? Do I want to wallow in this feeling as a way to continue staying connected to that last swim and not move on to the next adventure? Am I not as ready for my story to end with Apache as I once believed?” I tell people I’m still processing but truthfully I’m stalling because I’m not ready to move on, & let go.

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Weekly training volume for completing marathon swims?

Fri, 13/04/2018 - 17:54

@evmo definitely been keeping that in mind, but like to go with policy of prepare for the worst and there being bugger all current. As such I would prefer to potentially over train until last week of May.

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Training for Robben Island, South Africa - 7.4km

Fri, 13/04/2018 - 09:35

Lynne said: @glenn yep, Derrick is the best. Good luck

A bit late but I did the swim in feb. 2h20. drank every 30 minutes and finished about 1litre of energy drink in total. Swim went great and felt perfect afterwards. 30 min intervals worked well for me. Water was a warm 15 degrees I think.

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